I am noticing a rise in Holocaust denial with the rising anti-Zionism coming out of the Israel-Palestine conflict. Many of these YouTubers, tiktokers, and podcasters point to the writings of David Irving as proof. I know he is a holocaust denier and an idiot, but I would like to read it so I could point out the exact flaws in Irving’s “evidence” and stop getting the comment “You haven’t even read it!”. I also don’t want to send a penny to this author, but also don’t want to break the law in getting access to it.
How would you go about this situation?
Library.
Buy it from a used book store. He won’t get any money from it and you’ll support a local small business
Piracy, maybe see if Internet archive has any of his writings. I would just try to find a source where I didn’t have to pay for it.
Ask a certain person called Anna, she might have it in her**'s archive**.
Totally thought this was code for Heran’s Archivena
Just get the torrent
My man, try Z-Library. Check the subreddit for the latest working URL’s that won’t get you doxxed.
The ethics of social media dictate that stealing from people you’ve decided are evil is somewhere between totally ethical and a moral imperative.
People who deny genocides (either the current ongoing one in Palestine as committed by Israel, or the one carried out by the Germans in WWII) are the lowest of the low. Absolute scum. To see people make excuses for atrocities as the Nakba, Sabra and Shatila, and the Holocaust in real time, as one is happening has been the most disturbing development of our age.
I don’t think downloading things illegally is OK, and I also don’t think spending money on genocide deniers like Irving is ethical. I also don’t think reading Irving will help you in any way, because genocide deniers are pretty much all the same, and there’s not a shred of credence or validity to what they have to say. If you still wish to see genocide denial and defense of people who say stuff like “Erase them, their families, mothers and children. These animals can no longer live”, and the denial of that which is obvious, you’ll find plenty of it available for free in modern day conservative shitrags talking about the ethnic cleansing Israel has been carrying out for 77 years.
1000% agree. Those who deny genocides such as the Holodomor, Nakba, Holocaust disgust me. It is so infuriating to read about the horrors, people being shot in their homes, trying to eat grass for food due to malnutrition, and dying of horrible preventable diseases, and then see that Alan Jones thinks “It was a false flag operation to advance the secret societies controlling the world”, etc.
Google the book title + “.epub”
Get it used. He gets no money that way.
In most cases, it’s wrong to violate the social contract, especially while benefiting from it. However: the harm done by violating the social contract should be weighed against the harm of not violating it.
In this case, the harm of violating the social contract is pretty minimal, as copyright law is not a fundamental part of the fabric of society. One can even argue it’s kind of dubious, as something that moneyed interests favor very heavily with no similar moneyed interests favoring a strong public domain.
The harm of not violating it is not only do you give money to a holocaust denier, you’re giving it to him for denying the holocaust. Even worse, you’re giving him money for being wrong, and so effective at deception that you are compelled to spend money disproving him.
The whole point of copyright is to encourage useful works and spreading of knowledge and art. In this case the work is not spreading knowledge, but un-knowledge. Irving is exploiting a loophole in copyright law that allows him to work against its very purpose.
Thus I’d say violating the law is ethical as the benefits far outweigh the costs.
Download a book? Illegally? Online? Through a popular torrent website?
I would never do such an illegal and terrible thing!!
That method is horrible because the author wouldn’t make any money off of it.
I heard there’s this Anna, keeping an archive of those horrible books.
Yeah that would be bad. I think we can agree that if there’s one thing that’s even more important than the ideology of an author, it’s definitely capitalism, which is conveniently not an ideology at all, just one of the fundamental laws of the universe. That’s why it’s important to not pirate things for ideological reasons.
go to a library and borrow it?
At least in some countries authors get a compensation every time their book is borrowed from a library. So you might still be indirectly supporting the author when borrowing from a library. Also if there’s enough demand, the library may acquire additional copies and the prices for libraries are higher than for consumers.
https://equityatlas.org/how-do-authors-make-money-from-libraries/
Conversely, when you are borrowing a book from an author you like, you probably are supporting them and do not need obliged to purchase it for yourself.
Dunno how it works where you are, but I (author) get money from library books. Much less than when a reader buys it (duh), but it pays for nice Christmas presents.
Do most public libraries have holocaust denial works?
Academic libraries do
highly doubt it, but i’ve seen some similar cases…
i would just pirate tbh
In the UK, certainly. It’s not the library’s job to censor what the borrowers want to read, even if it’s David Icke.
In Australia too. I was in Gatton, Queensland, at their Library, and they had signs up warning people to basically go pound sand, the library is not a censorship authority, and that they will not remove books based on “religious morals”, in the LGBT pride section, and a similar sign, lacking the morals bit in some of their conspiracy theory books. And Gold Coast Libraries stocks some of the weirdest conspiracy theory mags in the planet.
Some do, and inter-library loans are a thing.
Furthermore, since it’s very likely that this author is not going to make really complex points, you could just go to the library, skim through it for an hour or two, and take notes on the two or three points worth quoting. (Or go all old-school and make photocopies of a few pages…). This way there is no record of your use of this book anywhere
I utilize Libby and local libraries but it’s not available.
Not at local library
You could just buy the book second-hand. Authors don’t get any of that money, and you’ll be able to get it for much cheaper than new.
Just break the law lol. The law is made up horseshit 😆
