Roflmasterbigpimp accused the Chinese company of spying.
I pointed out that the Chinese company can’t spy becaause it’s model was open source and could be locally run, while the US company set up its operation to allow it to spy on any use of its model.
Mubelotix claimed ChatGPT made their model public, which would only be relevant to the conversation as a evidence that the US is not spying either.
Well, there is an Android client that sends keystrokes (and loads of other data) back to Chinese servers. Which very much fulfils my definitions of spying.
I don’t trust this. China has a despicable record of spying and manipulating. I don’t know how but this will go bad.
ChatGPT was only released as SaaS, every thing you use it for goes through OpenAI’s servers.
Deepseek was open-sourced, you can run it on a local machine where it is physically impossible for China to spy on you.
They also released how they trained Deepseek, so you could even make your own Deepseek, as these guys are doing.
Of course chatgpt is saas, because it’s a service built on top of a gpt model, which they made public
The ChatGPT4 model is not public.
That’s the point.
Roflmasterbigpimp accused the Chinese company of spying.
I pointed out that the Chinese company can’t spy becaause it’s model was open source and could be locally run, while the US company set up its operation to allow it to spy on any use of its model.
Mubelotix claimed ChatGPT made their model public, which would only be relevant to the conversation as a evidence that the US is not spying either.
I said the model isn’t public.
Well, there is an Android client that sends keystrokes (and loads of other data) back to Chinese servers. Which very much fulfils my definitions of spying.
The app uses Deepseek’s servers. It physically could not function if it didn’t send your input data to their servers.
What other data does it send?
It is not about sending just the prompt. It’s about sending keystrokes, which goes beyond input to the current app.