The left is waiting for an actual left candidate and the Democrats keep running moderate right-wingers who wouldn’t have been out of place on the Republican ticket 25 years ago.
She was trying to win an election by appealing to Republicans who didn’t like Trump. Bringing in Republicans who don’t agree with Democrats but were against Trump seemed like a good idea. Her only problem was not running ads that attacked how bad the economy was under Trump and not outright lying like Trump did to win the election.
But that’s beside the point that the claim was that Democrats are farther right than 1995-2000 Republicans which is objectively false.
She was trying to win an election by appealing to Republicans who didn’t like Trump.
I.E., choosing to alienate the Democratic base by appealing to those they oppose.
Bringing in Republicans who don’t agree with Democrats but were against Trump seemed like a good idea.
Seemed. Past tense. I.E., an acknowledgement that Harris’ choice of stage partners didn’t actually help her in the election.
Her only problem was not running ads that attacked how bad the economy was under Trump and not outright lying like Trump did to win the election.
You must not be an American if you think that appeals to the distant past like that will work on our goldfish-brains.
But that’s beside the point that the claim was that Democrats are farther right than 1995-2000 Republicans which is objectively false.
You must not have lived through that era if you don’t recall all the Democrat warmongers after 2001 or capitalists like Clinton boosting the prison population in the 90’s.
choosing to alienate the Democratic base by appealing to those they oppose.
Uniting everyone who didn’t like Trump was a good idea.
distant past like that will work on our goldfish-brains.
That’s exactly why Trump’s economic failure needed to be the primary message. Everyone forgot.
You must not have lived through that era if you don’t recall all the Democrat warmongers after 2001 or capitalists like Clinton boosting the prison population in the 90’s.
??? That exactly proves my point. The OP claimed today’s Democrats are farther right than the Republicans from 25+ years ago. You just gave more examples of how past Democrats were not the far leftists that current American kids imagine.
Uniting everyone who didn’t like Trump was a good idea.
And instead of doing that, the Democrats once again divided their own base to chase the mythical moderate republican.
The people they were appealing to were not just Republicans, they were still republicans after Trump’s first term. If they had any issues with Trump’s “leadership”, they had plenty of time to come to terms with them and leave the party of their own accord.
That the Democrats thought appeals to this demographic would improve their position reveals that they fundamentally do not understand the electorate they hope to woo.
That’s exactly why Trump’s economic failure needed to be the primary message. Everyone forgot.
Yeah, everyone was distracted with how shitty the economic situation was under Biden. Harris had an opportunity to break from that and squandered it by sticking to Biden’s “no really, the economy is good” gaslighting message. The Dems could have made a bunch of false promises like the Republicans and maybe gotten a stalemate on this issue at the ballot box, but that would be a bit of a reach.
Those are all good points but they still don’t have anything to do with my original rebuttal of the claim that Democrats are now further right than Republicans from 25 years ago.
Democrats 24 years ago we’re trying to pass comprehensive medical coverage. Republicans said it should be up to the employer. Now the right say that no one is entitled to any compensation or benefits without struggle. Dems today argue that medical coverage must be tied to employment or else welfare will spike. The Dems are actively using the strategy of a pre-millenium American right wing. Fuck, go find anything Newt Gingrich has to say on the topic during the Clinton years and show me how it’s different from Josh Shapiro or pre-VP Harris in 2016.
The 2010 ACA is far more comprehensive than the Democrat platform from 2000.
You are imagining a past Democratic party that never existed. Back in 2007, Obama was against gay marriage. Before him Clinton was, “Don’t ask, don’t tell- or you’ll be removed from service.” It’s another example of how Democrats have moved left.
Democrats are farther left than they were 25 years ago. You hold Democrats to an ideal that never existed to rationalize your letting Trump win.
“Perfect”
The left is waiting for an actual left candidate and the Democrats keep running moderate right-wingers who wouldn’t have been out of place on the Republican ticket 25 years ago.
“””””moderate right-wingers”””””, only in this shithole could we call a fascist-lite candidate that. Gods I hate this dump
I didn’t think that needed to be added. We all understand where “moderate” right-wing behavior leads…
Personally I’ve seen a few apologists for them on here so felt it needed to add that
Yeah, Kamala is the worst. As a Marxist-Leninist, I’m happier with Trump, and that’s why I didn’t vote.
I mean Kamala is terrible but like being happier with Trump feels like an angry comment without much thought
Well Trump is helping the Soviet Union expand into Ukraine, which is nice.
But Putin isn’t Marxist-Leninist.
Neither is OP.
Sounds like CIA propaganda
I am also glad you don’t have anyone you think is worth voting for.
I mean, it’s not like Trump would ever do anything to hurt Gazans
Hence the happiness you have expressed.
That bullshit is why we have Trump.
Abortion? LGBT rights? Legalized Marijuana?
Look at any issue and Harris was farther left than any 1995 Democrat. But she wasn’t perfect enough.
Remind me, which leftist leaders did she bring up on stage to promote her candidacy?
Cornell West, or literally 100 Republicans?
Harris’ own bullshit is why the Republicans won. She could have done nothing but sit on her hands 'til election day and gotten better results.
She was trying to win an election by appealing to Republicans who didn’t like Trump. Bringing in Republicans who don’t agree with Democrats but were against Trump seemed like a good idea. Her only problem was not running ads that attacked how bad the economy was under Trump and not outright lying like Trump did to win the election.
But that’s beside the point that the claim was that Democrats are farther right than 1995-2000 Republicans which is objectively false.
I.E., choosing to alienate the Democratic base by appealing to those they oppose.
Seemed. Past tense. I.E., an acknowledgement that Harris’ choice of stage partners didn’t actually help her in the election.
You must not be an American if you think that appeals to the distant past like that will work on our goldfish-brains.
You must not have lived through that era if you don’t recall all the Democrat warmongers after 2001 or capitalists like Clinton boosting the prison population in the 90’s.
Uniting everyone who didn’t like Trump was a good idea.
That’s exactly why Trump’s economic failure needed to be the primary message. Everyone forgot.
??? That exactly proves my point. The OP claimed today’s Democrats are farther right than the Republicans from 25+ years ago. You just gave more examples of how past Democrats were not the far leftists that current American kids imagine.
And instead of doing that, the Democrats once again divided their own base to chase the mythical moderate republican.
The people they were appealing to were not just Republicans, they were still republicans after Trump’s first term. If they had any issues with Trump’s “leadership”, they had plenty of time to come to terms with them and leave the party of their own accord.
That the Democrats thought appeals to this demographic would improve their position reveals that they fundamentally do not understand the electorate they hope to woo.
Yeah, everyone was distracted with how shitty the economic situation was under Biden. Harris had an opportunity to break from that and squandered it by sticking to Biden’s “no really, the economy is good” gaslighting message. The Dems could have made a bunch of false promises like the Republicans and maybe gotten a stalemate on this issue at the ballot box, but that would be a bit of a reach.
Those are all good points but they still don’t have anything to do with my original rebuttal of the claim that Democrats are now further right than Republicans from 25 years ago.
I don’t recall rebutting that point. It’s kind of a central feature of my argument.
Democrats 24 years ago we’re trying to pass comprehensive medical coverage. Republicans said it should be up to the employer. Now the right say that no one is entitled to any compensation or benefits without struggle. Dems today argue that medical coverage must be tied to employment or else welfare will spike. The Dems are actively using the strategy of a pre-millenium American right wing. Fuck, go find anything Newt Gingrich has to say on the topic during the Clinton years and show me how it’s different from Josh Shapiro or pre-VP Harris in 2016.
You have no idea what you’re talking about.
No they weren’t.
Expanding Medicaid to welfare and age 55+ is not universal healthcare.
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/2000-democratic-party-platform
The 2010 ACA is far more comprehensive than the Democrat platform from 2000.
You are imagining a past Democratic party that never existed. Back in 2007, Obama was against gay marriage. Before him Clinton was, “Don’t ask, don’t tell- or you’ll be removed from service.” It’s another example of how Democrats have moved left.
Democrats are farther left than they were 25 years ago. You hold Democrats to an ideal that never existed to rationalize your letting Trump win.