• pivot_root@lemmy.world
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    3 people showed up, and one of them was the poster… I can already see tomorrow’s headline:

    Democrats Falling Apart: 33% of Protesters Against Senator Van Hollen were Democrat Voters

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    I want to ask all those who claim he’s MS-13, if that’s so, why couldn’t the administration prove it in court? Do these people have access to evidence that the President of the United States lacks?!

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      According to their narrative, he has already been shown in court to have MS-13 affiliations in two separate court cases. Just a quick trip through “no saint fallacy” land and to them it justifies bypassing due process.

      The muddier truth is that he was ruled to have ties to MS-13 after he was picked up from a Home Depot by Maryland police, which he contested, but the finding was upheld in his US Immigration hearing. The evidence, however, was extremely dubious and introduced by an officer who has since been fired and an informant who linked Abrego Garcia to a gang chapter in an area where he’s never lived. You can look into the details more (the Wikipedia article is good), but the point is that those two technically legal findings of fact, dubious as they may be, are enough for the USAG to insist that he’s already had his day in court and shift the conversation away from the fact that he’s never actually been accused or convicted of a crime and that he had a withholding of removal status applied by an immigration court.

      As long as they have “but the court said he was a gang member” to lean on, they’ll never engage with you on your “but it violates due process” turf.

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      So far, the only „proof” they’ve presented has been decoding his finger tattoos as secretly meaning „MS13” - right?

      Never mind the fact that you could easily assign ANY meaning to them you wanted to… 🤦🏻‍♂️

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        You forgot the part where they said the lack of evidence just means they’re good at covering it up. Yes, that actually is in a document filled with the court.

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        Dude, those are common meanings. In the baking world, ✝💀 eggs are considered a “baker’s dozen”. Coincidence? No such thing…

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        I’m not a gangologist but since when are MS13 members concerned about hiding the meaning of their tattoos?

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          This whole things reminded me a bit of a lot of the whack-a-doo numerology nonsense that was big in the Qanon movement. Wouldn’t be surprised if more than a few of the members of this White House’s staff were Q freaks…

          …what ever happened to them, anyway? Feels like they just faded away after 2020.

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            Q-anon was a psy op to reduce public faith in Democrat elected officials.

            Faith in Democrat officials is at an all time low and Trump is dismantling the white house. Its purpose has been served.

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      When the FOUNDERS made the CONSTITUTION they Couldn’t Predict how LONG a Jury Trial would Take!

      -People who DEFEND TO DEATH SCHOOL SHOOTERS THAT MURDER KINDERGARTNERS WITH GUNS BECAUSE THE CONSTITUTION IS PERFECT!

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    Ah yes, a specific anecdote is definitely reliable data to indicate a groups ability or lack thereof to accomplish a task.