You must only retain chat logs as long as necessary for the operation of Your Services or to improve Your Services

I’m not storing chat logs.

do not do so for the purpose of creating public databases or websites, or, in general, to collect information about Twitch’s end users.

Not creating any kind of public database either. It’s a private tool. Its purpose isn’t to massively-collect data about all of twitch either - it’s to provide reminders for social situations. If anything, it’s an accessibility tool for the disabled.

You must enable, and process, all requests by end users to block, discontinue, delete, or otherwise opt-out of any retention of chat logs for Your Services.

Again - Not storing chat logs. They are processed for information and that information inferred. I am storing reminders for the twitch streamer to talk about a certain subject at a certain time. If I put a reminder in my phone to remember to tell you happy birthday because I saw it on twitch; am I “creating a database of user information”? No. I’m creating a reminder for myself to remember to say happy birthday.

Having a computer help me remember those things isn’t a violation. Hell, even something like Microsoft’s new AI in windows does the same thing - are THEY violating twitch TOS when you have a browser window open? The answer is no.

When your streamer mentions something deeply personal, like, “how their mothers surgery went,” that your tool helped them remember, do they disclose that your tool was involved in that transaction?

No, nor should they be required to.

When the viewer gets weirded out and asks your streamer to not mention that again, or forget it entirely, do you have a way to remove that information from your database and a way to prove it’s been deleted? When other people in chat think it’s gross, and ask to opt-out, can you even do it?

When they mention not wanting to talk about something, that’s listed as something they don’t like to talk about, so in a way, yes.

Additionally, I instruct the ‘agent’ to disregard anything political or religious. - Though so far it’s not very good at distinguishing those things. Additionally it’s easy to feed it false information though it usually fixes it over time.

So this wasn’t a post actually asking what a small LLM was good for, it was just an opportunity you could use to dump on LLM usage I take it. So this whole thing was made in bad faith?

With the comments about “vibe coding” and such, all it looks like you’re doing here is arguing the “merits” of how it’s being used, and you’re not interested in its actual usage at all.

Nobody is being pissy here except you. Small LLMs can be used for tasks such as this, and it doesn’t have to be twitch - It could be an assistant that you build for reminders in your personal life - using it on twitch is a minor detail that you seem to have latched onto because you just want to dump on LLM usage.

Go to /c/fuck_ai for that.

I gave you an example that it’s good for, and all you want to do is argue the merits of how I’m using it (even though it falls perfectly within Twitches TOS and use cases)

There’s not actually that much code. It’s like 8 lines for an AI ‘agent’, and maybe another 16 lines for ‘tools’, and I’m using Streamlink for grabbing the audio stream, and pulseaudio has a ‘monitor’ device you can use to listen to what’s playing on the speakers. Throw it on a very minimal linux distro on a VM, and that’s it.

I don’t do ‘vibe coding’, but that IS where I got the idea from. People who are doing ‘vibe coding’ nowadays aren’t just plugging things into a generic AI, they’re spinning up ‘agents’ and making tools via MCP and then those agents are tasked with specific things, and use the tools to directly write to files, search the internet, read documents, etc

You build a system to identify everyone in the park and collect recordings of their conversations? Absolutely a problem, depending on the jurisdiction.

Literally not. The police use this right now to record your location and time seen using license plates all over the nation - with private corporations providing the service.

and being in public doesn’t automatically entail consent to being recorded.

And yes, it’s called ‘expectation to the right of privacy’. Public venues are not ‘private’ locations, and thus do not need consent. You can, quite literally, record anyone in public.

Even the link you provided agrees.

I’m not storing their data. I’m feeding it to an LLM which infers things and storing that data. Other Twitch bots store twitch data too. Everything from birthdays to imaginary internet points.

Yes. The small LLM isn’t retrieving data, it’s just understanding context of text enough to know what “Facts” need to be written to a file. I’m using the publicly released Deepseek models from a couple of months ago.

If I say my name is Doo doo head, in a public park, and someone happens to overhear it - they can do with that information whatever they want. Same thing. If you wanna spew your personal life on Twitch, there are bots that listen to all of the channels everywhere on twitch. They aren’t violating any laws, or Twitch TOS. So, *buzzer* WRONG.

Right now, the same thing is being done to you on Lemmy. And Reddit. And Facebook. And everywhere else.

Look at a bot called “FrostyTools” for Twitch. Reads Twitch chat, Uses an AI to provide summaries of chat every 30 minutes or so. If that’s not violating TOS, then neither am I. And thousands upon thousands of people use FrostyTools.

I have the consent of the streamer, I have the consent of Twitch (through their developer API), and upon using Twitch, you give the right to them to collect, distribute, and use that data at their whim.

That hasn’t been a problem at all for the 200+ users it’s tracking so far for about 4 months.

I don’t know a human that could ever keep up with this kind of thing. People just think he’s super personable, but in reality he’s not. He’s just got a really cool tool to use.

He’s managed some really good numbers because being that personal with people brings them back and keeps them chatting. He’ll be pushing for partner after streaming for only a year and he’s just some guy I found playing Wild Hearts with 0 viewers one day… :P

Currently I’ve been using a local AI (a couple different kinds) to first - take the audio from a Twitch stream; so that I have context about the conversation, convert it to text, and then use a second AI; an LLM fed the first AIs translation + twitch chat and store ‘facts’ about specific users so that they can be referenced quickly for a streamer who has ADHD in order to be more personable.

That way, the guy can ask User X how their mothers surgery went. Or he can remember that User K has a birthday coming up. Or remember that User G’s son just got a PS5 for Christmas, and wants a specific game.

It allows him to be more personable because he has issues remembering details about his users. It’s still kind of a big alpha test at the moment, because we don’t know the best way to display the ‘data’, but it functions as an aid.

Whoever made this must be dyslexic as fuck, because it looks like they did a really good job ensuring cock wasn’t spelled out anywhere.

I see Kuck (lots of kuck in fact), I see KKK, I see Kook, but no Cock.

Haven’t voted Republican. So you missed the mark there.

In fact, just seen protestors in person an hour ago screaming that LA used to be Mexico and they’re taking it back - so the arguments that they’re fighting for American Democracy are bullshit from your ilk as well.

Granted, I know that emotions are pretty high right now - but my point stands.

If I don’t say it, then I am not saying it. Men don’t pull that bullshit. There’s no undertones here, there’s no reading between the lines. There IS no between the lines. I didn’t say it, so stop fucking saying that’s what I mean, because I don’t. You don’t get to dictate what my words mean.

We see our neighbors with Mexican flags every day, it doesn’t make them belong here any less.

Never made such a claim. You’re so caught up in thinking I’m an enemy that you knee-jerk into all sorts of accusations and false claims. I’m saying that it’s bad for convincing the American public that you’re on the right side of things. Other Americans seeing the national guard coming down on people flying American flags, is bad optics for DJT. Seeing them coming down on people flying nothing but Mexican flags, looks good to the mostly racist American populace. That’s literally the only thing I’m saying.

Do you need me to lead you around by the nose and explain to you that American citizens (Are they? You can’t tell that from a picture.) holding Mexican flags in protest, don’t give 2 shits about “saving American Democracy”, and care more about deportations only?

I don’t see Mexican flags at “No Kings” protests. You know - The ones that are actually focused on American Democracy. I see American flags. Pride flags. etc. – Through all of these LA protest pictures, I see nothing but the flag of a foreign country…which I am saying plays into the story that Republicans are telling the American people.

Also, touching a Mexican flag doesn’t actually revoke your citizenship or residency, regardless of what Fox News says.

LOL WUT? What in earthly green fuck are you on about now? Nobody ever claimed this, so not only are you straw-manning NOT saying something, you’re ALSO straw-manning words that were never said in the first place.

You build up being the victim because I didn’t include some special case that you wanted me to, and then pretend that I’m some righty? lol - You truly are pathetic.

The point is that I’m pretty sure these people more simply don’t give 2 shits about “Due process” or any of the plethora of other dipshit, dumbass, illegal as fuck, traitorous shit that DJT is doing – and pretty much only care about deportations.

If you care about America, your country, and fighting Fascism, then you’re flying a US flag, and taking that symbol back.

You do know that when Germans protest against Nazis they commonly use the German flag, right? 🤡 indeed.

This. Exactly. Why burn the US flag and fly another nations flag when you’re supposedly ‘fighting for American democracy’? It doesn’t make sense, and the optics aren’t good.

protect democracy

Are they trying to protect democracy, or are they just trying to keep their family from being deported?

I don’t see why someone waving the Mexican flag, would be fighting for American democracy…

I’m saying it has everything to do with optics.

Big angry crowds all flying Mexican flags just plays into their agenda. It looks like this isn’t Americans fighting back against ICE, it looks like it’s Mexicans fighting back against ICE IN America…

Which in turn, just makes it look (to the average American) that they’re onto something, and that the Trump team is doing what they say they are.

Yeah, every Mexican flag in all of these photos is NOT helping their cause any. Just looks like exactly what the GOP says it is, an invasion. I’m not even sure I’ve SEEN an American flag during all the protest photos going around.