We literally are at the stage where when someone says: “this is a psyop” then that is the psyop. When someone says: “these drag queens are groomers” they are the groomers. When someone says: “the establishment wants to keep you stupid and poor” they are the establishment who want to keep you stupid and poor.
It’s so important to realize that most of “the establishment” are the pawns who are just as guilty. Thank you.
Also “The establishment” when used in accusations can be replaced by “Rich bastards and right-wingers” and the accusations are usually spot on. Child abuse, sexual assault, market manipulation, bribery, always checks out perfectly.
That’s where I feel our perspectives diverge. I think there is a sickness that is rooted within the heart of the human experience and it is a fear-based compulsion based on power/control. Some (the rich) have means to express this sickness in larger domains, but it is a characteristic that seems to be independent of wealth. I think there are people with this illness, and those without, and those somewhere on a curve.
I don’t trust this. China has a despicable record of spying and manipulating. I don’t know how but this will go bad.
spying
ChatGPT was only released as SaaS, every thing you use it for goes through OpenAI’s servers.
Deepseek was open-sourced, you can run it on a local machine where it is physically impossible for China to spy on you.
They also released how they trained Deepseek, so you could even make your own Deepseek, as these guys are doing.
Of course chatgpt is saas, because it’s a service built on top of a gpt model, which they made public
The ChatGPT4 model is not public.
That’s the point.
Roflmasterbigpimp accused the Chinese company of spying.
I pointed out that the Chinese company can’t spy becaause it’s model was open source and could be locally run, while the US company set up its operation to allow it to spy on any use of its model.
Mubelotix claimed ChatGPT made their model public, which would only be relevant to the conversation as a evidence that the US is not spying either.
I said the model isn’t public.
Well, there is an Android client that sends keystrokes (and loads of other data) back to Chinese servers. Which very much fulfils my definitions of spying.
The app uses Deepseek’s servers. It physically could not function if it didn’t send your input data to their servers.
What other data does it send?
It’s models are literally open source.
People have this fear of trusting the Chinese government, and I get it, but that doesn’t make all of china bad. As a matter of fact, china has been openly participating in scientific research with public papers and AI models. They might have helped ChatGPT get to where it’s at.
Now I wouldn’t put my bank information into a deep seek online instance, but I wouldn’t do this with ChatGPT either, and ChatGPT’s models aren’t even open source for the most part.
I have more reasons to trust deep seek as opposed to chatgpt.
if you can imagine a fish enjoying a succulent chinese meal rn, rolling its eyes
