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    Is it surprising that the people who thought Mexico would pay for a border wall also don’t understand how tariffs work?

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    What’s annoying and nobody seems to grasp is that even if the tax was on the foreign producer instead of the domestic consumer, the end result would be the same thing. They wouldn’t just eat the cost lol.

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      This becomes so obvious when the tariff is over 100%. The supplier is obviously not paying 125% of the sale price in taxes.

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    What’s to explain? You got lied to by a liar who says he never lies, and you believed him.

    It’s like complaining that you didn’t realize the Leopard you elected would have spots, when he’s ALWAYS had spots.

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    If an entire cult is too fucking stupid to recognize what’s hurting them, then how the fuck could tariffs be MAGA’s death knell like some people are saying? You could literally douse some of these people in gasoline and tell them, ‘I need you to burn for just a couple seconds for Trump,’ and they’d fucking do it.

    I saw some asshole in an interview saying, “Sometimes you gotta walk through the fire first.”

    Like…Yeah? Maybe. Just don’t start by lighting yourself the fuck on fire. 😕🔫

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      It took Nazis months in Stalingrad to realize Hitler didn’t give a fuck about them. Shit, a lot of them probably died out there in the snow and ice thinking they were doing a great job for him.

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      tariffs can and will be the death knell if he comes back to those original rates.

      No real effects from tariffs have happened yet across the board so the impact isn’t truely felt. Even chinese imports don’t have the tariffs yet because it’s only goods that were on boats after it took effect.

      We won’t see the downstream impact of even 10% tariffs for months. It won’t be until sales slump that people start getting fired and then sales will get even worse…

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        There have already been plenty of real effects from HitlerPig’s tariffs, just not the financial ones. This latest tariff scam, the third one in three months, has eroded the confidence, respect, and trust of the entire world, and it will be YEARS before it returns, if ever.

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          Yes, but it takes time for people here to realize the effects of that.

          Less travel to the US? Well we’ll start seeing layoffs in holiday destinations… but probably not that hard, yet. As things continue to decline and prices increase it will get worse, and worse, and worse.

          Most of this stuff takes time to ramp up is my point. We still haven’t seen the effects of deporting hundreds of thousands to millions of immigrants in legal status before being arbitrarily revoked, and that will absolutely cause some major issues in all kinds of places. They were paying tens of billions of dollars in taxes per year based on 2022 data and getting no benefits from it. Even the immigration process is not free, you pay for all the workers who touch your case with all the fees involved. I know, my wife is living that. We’re not talking about our lawyer either, literally the filing fees paid to the US.

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      People were all ‘Dave portnoy is talking about losing money!’’ Yeah well, if you look into it, he still 100% supports Trump.

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        I think I’ve finally seen Dave enough times before Portnoy to stop the “I’ve read he is a great drummer…I’m not a fan of prog rock at all…why is he being mentioned” repeat that was going on every time I read the name.

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      The catch is that the ones who don’t understand always, ALWAYS think it’s the other country that pays the tariff. Every time.

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        Well, that’s exactly what Trump said would happen, so why would they think otherwise?

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        The dumb thing is that it doesn’t matter who pays the tariff, it still will get passed to the consumer. Consider a scenario where the government starts taxing Amazon $100 per order no matter what’s in it. If you buy a $10 item on Amazon, how are they going to pay the $100 tax on that? Amazon will just add a $100 tax fee to your order because they can’t keep running a business if that cost isn’t baked into the final price. It doesn’t matter who actually delivers money to the government, the tax gets paid by all parties involved.

        FYI, sales tax is already done this way. Sales tax is collected from businesses, not customers, but customers still pay sales tax because that’s just how economics works.

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          Right, you and I get that, my point is that the people who are confused why their tariff-impacted goods cost more don’t get that. They think the other country pays it, full stop.

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            I specifically chose a fee that was higher than the actual cost so dumbasses wouldn’t nitpick about greed and profits and yet you still somehow did it, so I’ll take the bait- please explain to me how a business can operate selling an item at $10 when they have $100 in guaranteed costs? Do you understand that this means they lose at least $90 on every transaction at that price? I get that companies are greedy and skim more off the top but this is pure idiocy to make this argument in this hypothetical.

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        Even if that’s true the price would still increase. The exporting country would just charge extra to make up the difference. It’s not like they would just absorb the extra cost by pure goodwill for the oh so poor American people.

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    PLEASE be Nice to Him! He THOUGHT Electing Trump would mean he could PUNCH TRANS KIDS in Public and Run Over Immigrant Children! He DIDNT think it would Hurt HIS Wallet! He’s WHITE For Pete’s Sake! Show some SYMPATHY!

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      Where “are” your QUOTATION MARKS? Breaking grammar RULES is “punishable” and NOT GOOD!

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      Probably the whole reason behind it. A tax that your deeply tax-hating clientele is not recognizing. And also a regressive tax, that hurts poor people disproportionately harder then rich people, compared to taxes like income tax.

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    They STILL don’t get it? Everyone has been yelling about exactly what would happen. The news, social media, people protesting in the streets… even Fox News is critical of the Tariffs now. Journalists are bringing it up at White House press conferences and getting reaponses from the Press Secretary. This is not a secret. What sort of social bubble/echo chamber, do these people live in? Just fully bought in to the kool-aid. Useful idiots, the lot of them!

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      They have been conditioned to believe that the mainstream media is evil and constantly lies to them in order to facilitate the woke communist takeover and destruction of the USA.

      So it would be an understatement to say they are working from a position of willful ignorance.

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          I really don’t want it to be the answer either… But as I get older it’s the only thing that makes sense. And honestly I don’t think it’s limited to party lines (which has me rethinking some of my beliefs - what’s the point of supporting the party that aims for a social safety net if they’re too feckless to ever make it happen).

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        People are incredibly stupid and technology / politics isolates that stupidity and builds upon it to make mindless propaganda drones.

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      Social bubbles/echo chambers is exactly what has created this. Why did Musk buy X and Trump created his own social media?

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        Because Musk accidentally made an offer for Twitter and because Trump needed to take foreign bribes?

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          Now, why was Musk able to get the Saudis and others to help him bankroll that purchase?

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      These kind of people get all their news from FreedomEagle on facebook or some angry guy with a red face and oakleys on youtube because mainstream news is woke dei

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      To be fair, everyone has been yelling about a lot of things. I even notice a lot of stupid things said against Trump, which is frustrating, because imagine you’re hearing all those stupid things said and you’re not already committed to an anti-Trump ideology - then how will you believe when you hear the real anti-Trump things said?

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        Having half an ounce of curiosity, sense, and genuine interest in how the world works is a good start. What’s sad is that that is apparently asking too much.

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    In other words, Brandon has no fucking idea what “tariff” means, except it must be good cuz Daddy says so.

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      I wish the US media would call tariffs “import taxes”, as that terminology seems to be generally better understood by the public.

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        Then they’d blame the liberals for adding a new tax when all Trump wants is tariffs.

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        Yesterday I type “what” into my search engine and within the top 5 was “what is a tariff”. Import tax would make too much sense and people wouldn’t stand behind it if it was referred to as such.

        I get that tariff is the correct word and I understand what they are, but I am sure people like my dipshit cousins had no clue until a few days ago.

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    Your president is an idiot that is why your being charged more MAGAt.

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    See, the trick is that calling it a tariff hides the fact it’s an IMPORT TAX, paid by the people within the IMPORTING COUNTRY

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      It doesn’t hide it from most people, just those too dumb to go and find out what a tariff is before voting for them.

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        just those too dumb to go and find out what a tariff is before voting for them

        Of which there are more than 70 million in this country.

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          Probably closer to 200 million. Americans are deeply stupid about this kind of thing, and I suspect most people on the left didn’t really understand either until they were told how Trump’s plan was insane.

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        That’s the thing though. A lot of people do not bother researching and finding information themselves. That’s what makes rhetoric so powerful.

        And it works. Just keep repeating the lie that people want to believe and they will believe it. The bigger the better. That’s what makes Trump so persuasive to morons. They want to believe these unbelievably ridiculous lies.

        “A big lie (German: große Lüge) is a gross distortion or misrepresentation of the truth primarily used as a political propaganda technique.[1][2] The German expression was first used by Adolf Hitler in his book Mein Kampf (1925) to describe how people could be induced to believe so colossal a lie because they would not believe that someone “could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously”. Hitler claimed that the technique had been used by Jews to blame Germany’s loss in World War I on German general Erich Ludendorff, who was a prominent nationalist political leader in the Weimar Republic.”

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          It’s funny how often the accusations Hitler leveled at others ended up sticking to him instead. After he had Ernst Roehm and other brownshirts arrested and murdered in 1934, he gave a speech in which he claimed that Roehm had been planning a “Night of the Long Knives” (a phrase in use since the middle ages) attack on Hitler and the other nazi leaders. The phrase famously ended up being used to describe Hitler’s actions.

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      Since it’s a tax, the party paying the tax has no impact on its tax incidence. It’s just the result of supply and demand elasticity.

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    I would be short and concise, and just for this person add a sprinkle of personal responsibility:

    Trump taxed you because you bought something un-American.